Now that we’ve had the PNZ 2009 AGM it’s time for PNZ to come clear over the minutes from last year which PNZ claims are incorrect. When will they now publish the correct version?
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Well what an interesting meeting the 2009 AGM was. There were around 30 people there. Lorraine Brock was in the chair. It was asked that the minutes of the 2008 AGM be read but that was deemed unnecessary. It was moved and passed that the 2008 minutes were a true and correct record. It was intersting to note that only 8 of the 2008 attendees were also preent this year but there were certainly more people than that, who said "aye" to the minutes being correct. When the meeting was asked for matters arising, Dirk tried to ask a question regarding the change of vote last year, he was told by the chair (also the person who changed her vote) that as he was not at the 2008 meeting he had no rights to speak. He then left the meeting very angry. This ruling is incorrect. Anybody attending the meeting is allowed to raise matters regarding the minutes. They are not allowed to vote on the minutes that is all. It is also intersting to note that the person who wrote the minutes last year was not in attendance and other people who were known to be involved in the vote change were also not present even though they had been playing all day. It was very clear that the whole matter was going to be swept under the carpet. So, although there had been quite a lot of correspondence last year regarding the correctness of the 2008 minutes we were not given the opportunity to question them. We must assume then that as these minutes were passed as a true and correct record, those attended the 2008 AGM are comfortable with the vote change and the subsequent controversy surrounding the matter. Shame on them!. The chair also called for items of general business at the beginning of the meeting, and at the end when someone wanted to raise an item of general business she was reluctant to allow them to do so. Mrs Brock needs to check the rules of running a meeting. I have chaired many meetings and AGM's and currently chair two large organistaions. You cannot change a vote once it has been declared, you cannot deny speaking rights to matters arising from the minutes and you must allow people to raise items of general business. We then went on to the Financial report/ Questions were asked of the Treasurer and of the former CEO Bryan Wells regarding certain items in the accounts and acceptable answers were not forthcoming so explanations in writing regarding these items have been requested. Of the 30 or so people in attendance a large group of these were actually people who were not playing in the triples. It was a shame to only see 1 or two from Auckland there, particularly as Auckland now has the President and Vice President. The makeup of the new board looks impresssive and I know that business will be conducted fair and honest because the board members we have, will make sure it is. The PERCEPTION of unfairness, dishonesty and hidden agenda is just as bad as it actually happening and the only time I have opened my trap is when I have believed that one of the above has happened. PNZ in the past, has not been good at coming clean or expaining themselves when questions have been raised but I feel that regime is over now and the new board will keep people in line and up front. Good luck to them Graeme Burnard
When I read Graeme’s account of what took place at the 2009 AGM, I feel we are going to get more of the same. The same dishonest behaviour is just continuing. It is disgraceful that the issue of the 2008 minutes was not dealt with by the new board. It should also be seen as a smack in the face of the WPA, as It was the WPA who questioned in a letter to PNZ the voting irregularities which took place at the 2008 PNZ AGM. Our new president had an opportunity to set a new direction and new tone – an opportunity lost. Maybe she was reluctant to tackle to 2008 minutes because it was she who changed her vote at the 2008 PNZ AGM.
I do not hold out much hope with the new board members either, as one of the new board members was not even allowed to raise an issue at the AGM - he apparently was disqualified from aking a question on the grounds that he was not present at he previous AGM. Stupidity has no bounds. There does not seem to be a real desire to be upfront and honest, or an ability to say “we've made a mistake”. -Tom.
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Well what an interesting meeting the 2009 AGM was. There were around 30 people there. Lorraine Brock was in the chair. It was asked that the minutes of the 2008 AGM be read but that was deemed unnecessary. It was moved and passed that the 2008 minutes were a true and correct record. It was intersting to note that only 8 of the 2008 attendees were also preent this year but there were certainly more people than that, who said "aye" to the minutes being correct. When the meeting was asked for matters arising, Dirk tried to ask a question regarding the change of vote last year, he was told by the chair (also the person who changed her vote) that as he was not at the 2008 meeting he had no rights to speak. He then left the meeting very angry. This ruling is incorrect. Anybody attending the meeting is allowed to raise matters regarding the minutes. They are not allowed to vote on the minutes that is all. It is also intersting to note that the person who wrote the minutes last year was not in attendance and other people who were known to be involved in the vote change were also not present even though they had been playing all day. It was very clear that the whole matter was going to be swept under the carpet. So, although there had been quite a lot of correspondence last year regarding the correctness of the 2008 minutes we were not given the opportunity to question them. We must assume then that as these minutes were passed as a true and correct record, those attended the 2008 AGM are comfortable with the vote change and the subsequent controversy surrounding the matter. Shame on them!.
The chair also called for items of general business at the beginning of the meeting, and at the end when someone wanted to raise an item of general business she was reluctant to allow them to do so. Mrs Brock needs to check the rules of running a meeting. I have chaired many meetings and AGM's and currently chair two large organistaions. You cannot change a vote once it has been declared, you cannot deny speaking rights to matters arising from the minutes and you must allow people to raise items of general business.
We then went on to the Financial report/
Questions were asked of the Treasurer and of the former CEO Bryan Wells regarding certain items in the accounts and acceptable answers were not forthcoming so explanations in writing regarding these items have been requested.
Of the 30 or so people in attendance a large group of these were actually people who were not playing in the triples. It was a shame to only see 1 or two from Auckland there, particularly as Auckland now has the President and Vice President. The makeup of the new board looks impresssive and I know that business will be conducted fair and honest because the board members we have, will make sure it is. The PERCEPTION of unfairness, dishonesty and hidden agenda is just as bad as it actually happening and the only time I have opened my trap is when I have believed that one of the above has happened. PNZ in the past, has not been good at coming clean or expaining themselves when questions have been raised but I feel that regime is over now and the new board will keep people in line and up front.
Good luck to them
Graeme Burnard
When I read Graeme’s account of what took place at the 2009 AGM, I feel we are going to get more of the same. The same dishonest behaviour is just continuing. It is disgraceful that the issue of the 2008 minutes was not dealt with by the new board. It should also be seen as a smack in the face of the WPA, as It was the WPA who questioned in a letter to PNZ the voting irregularities which took place at the 2008 PNZ AGM. Our new president had an opportunity to set a new direction and new tone – an opportunity lost. Maybe she was reluctant to tackle to 2008 minutes because it was she who changed her vote at the 2008 PNZ AGM.
I do not hold out much hope with the new board members either, as one of the new board members was not even allowed to raise an issue at the AGM - he apparently was disqualified from aking a question on the grounds that he was not present at he previous AGM. Stupidity has no bounds. There does not seem to be a real desire to be upfront and honest, or an ability to say “we've made a mistake”. -Tom.
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